***** Shirov-Ferret ***** ********************* SPECIAL EVENT: MAN versus MACHINE! ******************* --> Wednesday GRANDMASTER ALEXEI SHIROV takes on FERRET! 2 games, 30 0 --> Mar 13, 6pm: Special Commentator: IM Maurice Ashley! "news 368". **ANNOUNCEMENT** from POTZY: GM Shirov will play from Tarragon Spain. \ Ferret will play from Seattle Washington. **ANNOUNCEMENT** from LateKnight: FIVE minutes till the match begins between \ GrandMaster Shirov versus Ferret, the "machine"! Silicon versus Carbon \ about ready to RUMBLE! **ANNOUNCEMENT** from POTZY: Match between Shirov and Ferret will be 2 games \ of 30 0! Feel free to "kibitz" because GM Shirov ahs his kibitz turned \ off. Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 MASHley(IM) whispers: as expected, in honor of his new homeland Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 bfritz whispers: marshall? Blitzen whispers: Ferret keeps activating his pieces...as expected. Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 bfritz whispers: nope Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 MASHley(IM) whispers: will ferret play a Marshall attack. Guess not. Mouse whispers: ferret doesn't play the marshall Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 Mouse whispers: no way. Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 Nc6 kerrigan(C) whispers: hi bruce... i'm going to leave if the lag doesn't \ disappear Blitzen whispers: Nice!! YoungFischer whispers: Holy fast!!! Nobunaga whispers: is this all book? Bloody fast. Hyatt whispers: yes... cgdrafts whispers: d5 BELCH whispers: Heh. Ferret(C) whispers: hello :) Blitzen whispers: 13.d5 (!!,??) Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 12. Nbd2 Nc6 13. d5 Nd8 YoungFischer whispers: of course this is book POTZY kibitzes: Main line Ruy Lopez, all book, all played thousands of times. Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 13. d5 Nd8 14. a4 Rb8 kerrigan(C) whispers: concentrate on the game, ferret! ;) Ferret(C) whispers: not great for computers, but ferret's book is goofy :) MASHley(IM) whispers: all standard. I'm surprised by the speed of play. Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 14. a4 Rb8 15. axb5 Blitzen whispers: Not me. Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 14. a4 Rb8 15. axb5 axb5 **ANNOUNCEMENT** from POTZY: "ob 0" to see GM Shirov play Ferret! Comments \ are in the kibitzes. "news 368" for info on the match. MASHley(IM) whispers: This is certainly what a human wants. sicilian(IM) whispers: good strategy to play closed game against ferret CDavis whispers: I guess no reason to pause in the opening against a comp? Nobunaga whispers: still all standard stuff eh? fritzl whispers: I would think this rotten for computers MASHley(IM) whispers: anice blocked position POTZY(DM) kibitzes: You can kibitz if you wish... GM Shirov has his kibitzes \ turned off. GILMOUR whispers: This is almost blitz speed. fritzl kibitzes: yeah, potzy, but what if Ferret is listening? :) MASHley(IM) whispers: The opening of the a line seems a bit premature. Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 15. axb5 axb5 16. c4 gum kibitzes: what did Ferret spend 4 seconds on Ferret(C) whispers: ferret is listening :) Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 15. axb5 axb5 16. c4 b4 Blitzen kibitzes: That is a great bit of play!! bfritz whispers: still book Hyatt whispers: can you spell "pawn rams"??? Nobunaga whispers: is the Ruy Lopez everybody's favorite opening? SJLIM whispers: don't kibitz.. Ferret(C) whispers: oh oh Krawly whispers: wake me up when we're outta book. :) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The position is ideal for a human, blocked, no tactics, Blitzen kibitzes: Interesting... Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 16. c4 b4 17. Nf1 Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 16. c4 b4 17. Nf1 Ne8 Ferret(C) whispers: ferret's book has g4 now MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov loves the open type of game Nobunaga whispers: how old is Mr Shirov? fritzl kibitzes: What long-term plans are available to white? Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 17. Nf1 Ne8 18. Ne3 sicilian(IM) whispers: this is an old rubinstein play, ne8 then f6, g6 and \ nights to f7 and g7 bfritz whispers: black is a teeny bit cramped :) Ferret(C) whispers: ferret is out of book MASHley(IM) kibitzes: White can certainly clamp down on the f5 square Ferret(C) whispers: will probably play nf6 :) velvet kibitzes: did Ferret really spent only 4 seconds for 18 moves ? hasse kibitzes: that is not in my book - Ne3!? Hyatt whispers: *yes*.. ferret's still in book... Cheesy kibitzes: "moves 0" shows that ferret moves at a very quick pace! Ferret(C) whispers: not any more. Hyatt whispers: out now I'll suspect... MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Black will have to play about ten regrouping moves before \ executing the f5 break apu whispers: 18.Ne3! TN +- SJLIM whispers: why are people kibitzing instead of whispering.. Hyatt whispers: because GM has kibitzes *off* SJLIM whispers: aha.. Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 17. Nf1 Ne8 18. Ne3 g6 Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 18. Ne3 g6 19. g4 Nobunaga whispers: we are all nervous that a human might lose so we whisper Zek whispers: Shirov and ferret both have kib 0, but it is still better to \ whisper MASHley(IM) whispers: Ferret is now out of book probably bfritz whispers: battle for f5 Ferret(C) whispers: ferret is out of book Nobunaga whispers: is Shirov out of book you think? Blitzen whispers: What is the difference then between whispering and kibitzing? \ If GM has his kib off? Cheesy whispers: is g4 usual here? MASHley(IM) whispers: without the f5 break black has nothing to do but sit and \ sweat LateKnight kibitzes: Kibitzing is ok fritzl whispers: Ferret didn't play Nf6. I am impressed. bfritz whispers: Ng7!? Nobunaga whispers: just added deference to whisper in the presence of GMs apu whispers: Unusual for GM to be out of book before move 20. But he could \ be. Krawly whispers: Ferret is, but Shirov played 19 g4 quickly -- he's prep'ed \ here. Ferret(C) whispers: probably gonna play it now. Blitzen kibitzes: Very offensive by Shirov...digging his own grave? Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 18. Ne3 g6 19. g4 Nf6 cgdrafts whispers: ...h5 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Black has no clue what to do Hyatt whispers: not h5 yet... white has no rush... Cheesy kibitzes: what is white planning? bfritz whispers: Nf6? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Neither do I! sicilian(IM) whispers: nf6-e8 followed by ne8-f6 shows no plan by the computer LateKnight kibitzes: hahaha fritzl kibitzes: heh heh, how about 1-0 and start game two :) just kidding, I \ want to see this JordanG kibitzes: what about b3? Attila kibitzes: maybe Kh1 now Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 19. g4 Nf6 20. Kh1 bfritz whispers: this is like Kasp-DB game 6 Logjam kibitzes: clasic "Swiss Cheese " formation Nobunaga whispers: this is considered closed yes? Are French defense games \ typically considered open? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Actually, Kg7 and h5 would be reasonable, sicilian(IM) whispers: whites long range plan is double on the gfile and play \ nf5 cgdrafts whispers: but u can dream, maurice, ferretcannot Ferret(C) whispers: ferret won't do that. Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 19. g4 Nf6 20. Kh1 Rb6 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: but Black should be terrified of the tactics near it's \ own king **ANNOUNCEMENT** from LateKnight: Type ob 0 to observe GM Shirov taking on \ Ferret! IM Ashley commentating. JordanG whispers: play the game ferretman!:O Mouse whispers: black is always terrified of tactics near its king :) Krawly whispers: tell 'em, JG! :) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Rb6??? Wyvern whispers: Why does the computor keep wispering back? JordanG whispers: Thanks Krawl:) JordanG whispers: he thinks he is cool;) apu whispers: Hmm, ...Rb6 is rather, ah... MASHley(IM) kibitzes: A great move, NOT!! JordanG kibitzes: hehehehe Krawly whispers: hmmm, Wyvern, could be a bug in ferret's program. Nobunaga whispers: it is a state of the art artificial intelligence agent, thus \ it talks Crowless whispers: else nXp Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 20. Kh1 Rb6 21. Rg1 Crowless whispers: strike that bfritz whispers: Ferret should have played the Marshall :) Nobunaga whispers: notice how simplistic everything it says is :) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Actually trading off the rooks is not a bad idea Hyatt whispers: probably rb6 -ra6... apu whispers: 21...Ra6 22.Rb1! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: it will lessen the attacking force against the king Crowless whispers: interesting how we are supporting ferret Mouse whispers: it may still play bd7 though Hyatt whispers: I agree... were I black, I'd be thinking that every piece I can \ trade is one my king won't be eye-to-eye with a little later on... Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 20. Kh1 Rb6 21. Rg1 Bd7 fritzl kibitzes: I support Ferret out of a tendency to root for the underdog :) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: White's plan is obvious. Total Shirov, sac, sac, and \ mate! Nobunaga whispers: how many ply is ferret now anyway? Mouse whispers: maybe 9 or 10 Krawly whispers: I'd never guess this position came from a ruy lopez. apu whispers: How come this stuff doesn't work when Shabalov tries it? SJLIM whispers: sac,sac,sac... I don't think so... Blitzen kibitzes: I agree. bfritz whispers: black is moving too quickly MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The problem here is not how deep the comp. is thinking, MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Threats won't appear for a few moves still so piece \ placement is everything Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 21. Rg1 Bd7 22. Nf1 Krawly whispers: aha! Ne3 to allow g4. cgdrafts whispers: why not Nf5 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Bd7 was a true howler, by the way.. Nobunaga whispers: is it important for a budding chess player to learn some Ruy \ variations? Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 21. Rg1 Bd7 22. Nf1 Qb7 Tim whispers: Not terribly important, nobunaga BV kibitzes: white is going to sacrifice a knight on f5 apu whispers: Nah, try the Goring Gambit Tim whispers: apu just gave good advice Nobunaga whispers: good 'cause I don't know a single thing about Ruy mlb whispers: Budding chess players should lay off the bud. bfritz whispers: still trying to get that rook trade in apu whispers: Local guy got to 2396 with nothing but tricky openings Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 22. Nf1 Qb7 23. Bh6 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: nice idea Nobunaga whispers: :) franko kibitzes: Is ban playing along with some score? Krawly whispers: i don't get it -- what's w/ black's queen move? fritzl whispers: still clueless SJLIM whispers: black is oscillating... Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 22. Nf1 Qb7 23. Bh6 Re8 sicilian(IM) whispers: black is spending a lot of time for play on the a-file. \ but not much there anyway apu whispers: Black threatens the amazingly subtle 24...Bc8!! ganzen whispers: I hate these kinds of positions! Nobunaga whispers: this is starting to look like the final Kasparov Deep Blue \ game! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Of course, Black is toast!Q ban(C) kibitzes: ng3 bf8 be3 +0.23 Hyatt whispers: basic problem here is *everything* is beyond any tactical \ search... so machine is simply waiting for something to happen, threatening \ a trade here, a trade there, but it doesn't see any threats... this is a \ *very* difficult problem... SJLIM whispers: Bc8 frees f - pawn/ Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 23. Bh6 Re8 24. Qd2 Krawly whispers: hmm, Shirov doesn't want to win, he aims to disgrace this \ "toaster-oven-slash-chess-computer." d:-) mlb whispers: I am a fan of oscillation. TalTale whispers: GM's love this complicated stuff :) apu whispers: I prefer vacillation MASHley(IM) kibitzes: I agree that everything is tactical for the machine. SJLIM whispers: but then... white can't win either without breakthrough... so \ draw? Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 23. Bh6 Re8 24. Qd2 Ra6 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The problem is, this is not a tactical position at all apu whispers: Long maneuvering, then Shirov will forfeit on time Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 24. Qd2 Ra6 25. Ng3 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: ok it is tactical SJLIM whispers: yes... Shirov flags ... sicilian(IM) whispers: rab1 might be be best keeping pieces on for kside \ breakthrough with nf5 Hyatt whispers: in 2-3 moves it's going to be tactical beyond bearing... MASHley(IM) kibitzes: but in a very standard way that requires very little \ calculation on Shirov's part BIGpotz whispers: Will white win? That is the question! :) Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 24. Qd2 Ra6 25. Ng3 Kh8 bfritz whispers: Bf8!? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Kh8!! apu whispers: Black is OK due to well-placed Nd8 Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 25. Ng3 Kh8 26. Raf1 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: I believe that Shirov should move his rook velvet kibitzes: computers like this type of moves... MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Hey!! I guessed one. sicilian(IM) whispers: now nf5 is getting very threatening Eskychess whispers: schroer wins! Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 25. Ng3 Kh8 26. Raf1 Qa7 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The point is that a mating attack requires all the heavy \ pieces to be most successful **ANNOUNCEMENT** from LateKnight: Type ob 0 for LIVE play as GrandMaster \ Shirov presses the silicon (Ferret) to its limits with IM Maurice Ashley \ commentating! sicilian(IM) whispers: nf5!!! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The a line is irrelevant TopGunI kibitzes: just arrived--looks like Shirov employing tried and true \ nmethod against machines--closed position BIGpotz whispers: Is Schroer 2500 in BugHouse?? :) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The Nf5 jump is in the air Krawly whispers: Qa7? maybe scratchy can explain that one. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: I'm sure Shirov is sitting up in his chair right now.. TopGunI kibitzes: Qa7 is computer move in closed position--no long term \ planning MASHley(IM) kibitzes: thinking, " Should I do this fool in now or what?" MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Qa7 isn't even tactical Securitron(GM) kibitzes: nf5 works Krawly whispers: ok, at 15 minutes, Shirov blows it open and mates. CFIPilot whispers: nf5! is the best. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: it's just dumb oldcoach kibitzes: I think Black will hold and win. That is, unless Shirov is a \ better play than I am. apu whispers: Nf5 loses MASHley(IM) kibitzes: it removes the Q from the mating sector CFIPilot whispers: what is ferret running on? TopGunI kibitzes: exactly--there are no tactical motifs from the computer's \ perspective--it probably has some evaluation chip that says doubling major \ pieces on open file is good apu whispers: Empty Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 26. Raf1 Qa7 27. Nf5 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Ok I won't criticize the machine's move because this is \ not a position it could possibly play well Hyatt whispers: hey guys... how about a variation for Nf5? ie Nf5 Bxf5 gxf5... CFIPilot whispers: :-) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: YES!!! Krawly whispers: looks like leaded gas. LateKnight kibitzes: !!!!!!!!!!! apu whispers: Hmm, perhaps Nf5 is viable... Schroer(IM) kibitzes: this is a difficult position for computers to play \ because of its closed nature Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 26. Raf1 Qa7 27. Nf5 gxf5 Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 27. Nf5 gxf5 28. gxf5 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Now the game will explode in somebody's face Hyatt whispers: how about just ignoring the knight? apu whispers: All right!! Take the material and kick a-- cgdrafts whispers: curtins fritzl kibitzes: less closed now :) bfritz whispers: not much think time TopGunI kibitzes: black is dead lost--it is not in question sicilian(IM) whispers: bf8 loses to qg5 Tsodikov kibitzes: definitely shirov 's winning! Schroer(IM) kibitzes: Ferret is a great program :-) Securitron(GM) kibitzes: thi is mate MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The Q and R on the a line should be taken outside and \ shot! fritzl kibitzes: One thing is for sure, we spectators are getting our money's \ worth! CFIPilot whispers: you saw the computers problem with Qa7 Krawly whispers: top gun is right -- just a matter of move order now. bfritz whispers: Nh5!? Schroer(IM) kibitzes: of course Shirov must calculate very precisely vs. "the \ monster" CFIPilot whispers: what is ferret really running on thou? Hyatt whispers: pentium/133mhz ban(C)(DM) kibitzes: Junior: Nh5 Qd1 Bf8 +1.2 indigo whispers: Any computer evals for this? apu whispers: Just wait for the 166 MHz! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Even Deep Blue wouldn't want this one Securitron(GM) kibitzes: if nh5 doesnt bg7+ win? Schroer(IM) whispers: can Shirov hear kibitzes? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov can hear nothing sicilian(IM) whispers: whats best after rg8. then rg8 ng8rg1 Naisortep kibitzes: 28...ng4 29 rxn bg5 rxb is probable computer play from here \ :). Ferret(C) whispers: i narrowly missed getting a p6/200. Xy whispers: mashley: why is that? fritzl kibitzes: If this is mate, why hasn't the machine seen it yet? ban(C)(DM) kibitzes: can any of the Gms tell the winning line?? TimothyM whispers: is ferret a commercial program? VetX whispers: Computers are famous for saving lost positions like this though. Securitron(GM) kibitzes: it is mate kerrigan(C) whispers: interesting how none of us "computer guys" are ripping on \ ferret... writing a program takes blood, sweat, and tears... Ferret(C) whispers: not yet. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov has turned everything off so he can't hear our \ great commentary CFIPilot whispers: but only if shirov flaws his line Securitron(GM) kibitzes: if rg8 ng8 rg1 bf6 bg7+ apu whispers: Kinda like writing rock songs Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 27. Nf5 gxf5 28. gxf5 Nh5 indigo whispers: Long think for Ferret...must see something... CFIPilot whispers: or maybe not Ferret(C) whispers: nope. fritzl kibitzes: Thanks for the lines Secutitron! Securitron(GM) kibitzes: now bg7+ Tsodikov kibitzes: the only (!) move!!! CFIPilot whispers: bg7+ would look good MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Now Bg7 looks hot! Blitzen kibitzes: Black is planning Knight to f4!! after chopped off the white \ blacksquared bishop! apu whispers: I just thought of something: Bg7+! sicilian(IM) kibitzes: bg7, ng7 qh6 with f6 or ng5 coming MASHley(IM) kibitzes: But now the GM must be precise Securitron(GM) kibitzes: ihave been screaming that for quite soe time now... Tsodikov kibitzes: theats were Bg7+ Kg8 Bf6+! and Qg5 kerrigan(C) whispers: Bd1 seems fine to stobor... searcher kibitzes: ferret is hosed sicilian(IM) kibitzes: what about rg5 here?? BV kibitzes: bd1 Stefansson(GM) kibitzes: after bg7 ng7 qh6 nh5 is som defence MASHley(IM) kibitzes: This attack "feels" completely right without calculating \ to mate Krawly kibitzes: I vote for another Qa8 type move. Securitron(GM) kibitzes: just take h5 an go back MASHley(IM) kibitzes: That's what I meant about this not really being a \ tactical position BV kibitzes: what about Bd1 oldcoach kibitzes: I like Bb1 with Qc2 coming. Blitzen kibitzes: Computers can calculate extremely excactly... Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 28. gxf5 Nh5 29. Bg7+ CFIPilot whispers: it won't be Bb1 Securitron(GM) kibitzes: yippee cool kibitzes: yes..... CFIPilot whispers: it was bg7_ MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov just played a standard plan with the Nf5 idea MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Hello! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Spank! Cthulhu kibitzes: Evals? Logjam kibitzes: ferret should ask forr a take back Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 28. gxf5 Nh5 29. Bg7+ Nxg7 LateKnight kibitzes:Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 29. Bg7+ Nxg7 30. Qh6 apu whispers: I recommend Nxg7 TimothyM whispers: is Qh6 coming? Schroer(IM) kibitzes: this position is not that variation oriented, true ganzen whispers: Trouble in Doggie Land apu whispers: Now ...Nh5 is only try to hold for a few moves Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 29. Bg7+ Nxg7 30. Qh6 Rg8 Schroer(IM) kibitzes: it is more understanding oriented Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 30. Qh6 Rg8 31. f6 apu whispers: Or ...Rg8, of course MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Look at the powerful buildup on the a line MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Papa! Tsodikov kibitzes: Rg4, Rh4 is a threat Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 30. Qh6 Rg8 31. f6 Bxf6 LateKnight kibitzes: Does everyone agree this Ferret got "bit" by the venomous \ Shirov? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Stop it, please! Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 31. f6 Bxf6 32. Qxf6 CFIPilot whispers: yep ferret is behind cool kibitzes: cool agrees Schroer(IM) kibitzes: it is incredibly hard to program a computer to \ "understand" chess :-) oldcoach kibitzes: what about ...Ra5 ? CFIPilot whispers: it is brute force Hyatt whispers: don't write the machine off yet... all it takes is one minor \ mistake and... :) apu whispers: Time for ...Qb8!! Tsodikov kibitzes: Ng5 is coming! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The "Closed" Ruy Lopez was a terrible choice! sicilian(IM) kibitzes: now ng5 and qh6 is huge threat Move Shirov Ferret ---- -------------- -------------- 31. f6 Bxf6 32. Qxf6 Be8 {Ferret resigns} 1-0 **ANNOUNCEMENT** from LateKnight: Ferret RESIGNS!!! **ANNOUNCEMENT** from LateKnight: GM Shirov will take a 5 - 10 minute \ breather after that CRUSHING victory Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 Krawly whispers: right back at ya, baby. fritzl kibitzes: hilarious Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Here we go Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bc5 Krawly kibitzes: Nxe5! Ferret(C) whispers: out of book Hyatt whispers: another Ruy, but hopefully without d4/d5... :) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: This is ideal for ferret sicilian(IM) kibitzes: the archangel defense. very sharp CFIPilot whispers: nxe5 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The position can open up very easily bfritz whispers: h3!? fritzl kibitzes: what is sharpest line? ban(C)(DM) kibitzes: c3 is standard theory here Hyatt whispers: Ne5 Ne5 d4 etc... Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 6. Bb3 Bc5 7. d3 fritzl kibitzes: augh!!! Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 6. Bb3 Bc5 7. d3 d6 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: c3 and d4 is simple, but the Ne5..Whoa???? Ferret(C) whispers: it is not in ferret's book, for some reason. probably going \ to get either c3 or ne5, ooh, yuk. Krawly kibitzes: Nxe5 must be the critical test of this move order. etranger kibitzes: why does Shirov play such sharp lines vs. a computer ?? CFIPilot whispers: ugly. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Ferret is walking into a situation similar to the last \ game bfritz whispers: h3 Hyatt whispers: what's ugly about d3? not wild, but not "ugly"... MASHley(IM) kibitzes: With the position closed it could be toasy Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 7. d3 d6 8. c3 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: toast CFIPilot whispers: wouldn't nxe5 been stronger? Krawly kibitzes: Bg4! Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 7. d3 d6 8. c3 O-O bfritz whispers: d3 wastes a tempo MASHley(IM) kibitzes: c3 is back in line with opening up the game but a tempo \ down Krawly kibitzes: and, isn't the light squared bishop better placed than in the \ archangelisk? Attila kibitzes: another Ruy Lopez! demonstration what to do with white and now \ what to do with black! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov used to play these types of positions all the time Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 8. c3 O-O 9. d4 bfritz whispers: h3 before d4 (?) fritzl kibitzes: heh, ferret don't need that tempo! Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 8. c3 O-O 9. d4 Bb6 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Black has many juicy ideas, including the central break \ ...d5 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 9. d4 Bb6 10. d5 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 9. d4 Bb6 10. d5 Ne7 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: This is totally fine for Black. Uh-oh... a blocked \ position POTZY(DM) kibitzes: Computer closes the position... interesting VetX whispers: Knew it, the computer closes the position because it thinks it \ wins a tempo. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Now Black will play for ...f5 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 10. d5 Ne7 11. Nbd2 Securitron(GM) kibitzes: has shirov studied ferret's games? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov will be on auto-pilot for the next few moves LateKnight kibitzes: No he has not Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 10. d5 Ne7 11. Nbd2 Ng6 LateKnight kibitzes: He did not prepare at all Krawly kibitzes: a super favorable position for black -- the bishops control \ everything. Securitron(GM) kibitzes: this game will also end in mate POTZY(DM) kibitzes: Ferret can't see the mating attack that will crash through \ in about 10 or 12 moves... :) fritzl kibitzes: How are the bets falling, will Ferret have 15 minutes left \ when checkmated in this one? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: White needs a plan Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 11. Nbd2 Ng6 12. a4 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Hey, why not a4? Krawly kibitzes: a4 is logical in these positions. VetX whispers: MASH, computers don't plan. mancini kibitzes: too late, Mashley Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 11. Nbd2 Ng6 12. a4 Bg4 Krawly kibitzes: thematic in the archangelisk. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: ...f5 is still it kerrigan(C) whispers: computers are excellent planners MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Either that or post the queen near White's king sicilian(IM) kibitzes: why provoke h3 here Zvon kibitzes: Yes of course, when position closed try to take the a file \ (Didn't work last time) Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 12. a4 Bg4 13. a5 Krawly kibitzes: not exactly the idea, Zvon. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Duh!! bfritz whispers: a5?? Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 12. a4 Bg4 13. a5 Ba7 apu whispers: a5!! -+ MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov must be busting a gut after a5 Krawly kibitzes: but, a5 does require a double question mark. Wyvern whispers: why? fritzl kibitzes: And you said the computer didnt have a plan. Securitron(GM) kibitzes: shirov is either provoking h3 to add force to nf4 or \ he plans bh5 and provoking g4 ? VetX whispers: It thinks it is gaining tempi. POTZY(DM) kibitzes: Computer closes the queenside... now White has no \ counterplay against a Black mating attack MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Now White has no play to speak of Krawly kibitzes: counterplay would have come by disrupting the queen-side. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: It will be pain apu whispers: Time for Qc2, Qb1, Ra2 etc. kerrigan(C) whispers: 99% of computers don't eval tempi Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 13. a5 Ba7 14. Bc2 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Pain **ANNOUNCEMENT** from Darooha: grandmaster SHIROV (ranked #9 in the world) \ is playing ferret! Obs 46 to see it. Securitron(GM) kibitzes: white is gone if he cannot neutralize the Ba7 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Pain fritzl kibitzes: Wait, Ferret can fishin executing his plan with b4!! LateKnight kibitzes: hahaha Darooha kibitzes: set kib 2 to see titled kibitzes only. Hyatt whispers: how about Re1, Nf1 and Be3? CFIPilot whispers: no way timberwolf kibitzes: hey guys :) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Now ...f5 would border on rape apu kibitzes: I've said that many times Krawly kibitzes: maybe ferret should offer draw before it's too late. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 13. a5 Ba7 14. Bc2 Nh4 CFIPilot whispers: like shirob would take it MASHley(IM) kibitzes: A draw offer should not be accepted!!! CFIPilot whispers: shirov fritzl kibitzes: can't believe shirov didn't even prepare Cthulhu whispers: CFIPilot, I think we knew what you meant. :) Krawly kibitzes: a little foreplay before the f5 psuedo rape. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Strange?! fritzl kibitzes: is he just good or something? :) Wyvern whispers: why would shirov even consider draw? Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 14. Bc2 Nh4 15. h3 ban(C)(DM) kibitzes: h3 bh5 re1 = apu whispers: I, for one, appreciated the clarification MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Why exchange? CFIPilot whispers: hey the guy is great, i might as well spell the name right TalTale whispers: he prepared for everyone else in the world first... MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Actually, it's easy to understand Shirov's desire to \ simplify Cthulhu whispers: C'mon, great players like Krapov and Casperpov don't care if \ you get the name exactly right. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 14. Bc2 Nh4 15. h3 Bh5 Krawly kibitzes: ummm, doesn't a draw win the match? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: It's very tough to play for a win with Black when you are \ up a point apu whispers: Good point, Cutface MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Very professional MASHley(IM) kibitzes: but also very dangerous Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 15. h3 Bh5 16. Bd3 apu whispers: !! The only move MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Bd3 is a truly human move! Krawly kibitzes: should be a symbol for "without counterplay!" fritzl kibitzes: preparing b4? etranger whispers: white's KB is squirming like a toad Schroer(IM) kibitzes: either human or Ferret MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov has been a little superficial with his Nh4 scurry fritzl kibitzes: overconfident, MASH? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: it's easy to see White crawling back in after the B goes \ to e2 fritzl kibitzes: you think he went too fast? VetX whispers: maybe he is trying to provoke g4? etranger whispers: i think Shirov was prepared to sac if 16. g4 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: In fact, White is fast closing in on equality YoungFischer whispers: What happened in the first game??? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: And remember the a6 pawn Securitron(GM) kibitzes: shirov may be planning a c6 scam Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 15. h3 Bh5 16. Bd3 Ng6 CFIPilot whispers: GM crush fischer Wyvern whispers: shirov won easily ;) Krawly kibitzes: shirov crushed Ferret in a closed position of a ruy lopez, YF. bfritz whispers: preparing Nf4 POTZY(DM) kibitzes: Inviting the piece "win" g4 etranger whispers: this is getting weird kerrigan(C) whispers: what about fischer? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Admittimg the Nh4 plan was silly Krawly kibitzes: huh? VetX whispers: Begging for g4! apu kibitzes: Eh? Krawly kibitzes: he really is begging for g4 now. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Now the g4 question will override all else in Ferret ban(C)(DM) kibitzes: nb3 = CFIPilot whispers: i was talking to youngfischer. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 16. Bd3 Ng6 17. Re1 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: What!!! Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 16. Bd3 Ng6 17. Re1 Nf4 POTZY(DM) kibitzes: computer will always play g4 if it doesn't see a way for \ black to win back the material... shadami kibitzes: Isn't whites plan here to play Be2,Re1,Nf1, and Be3 ? apu whispers: Jeez, you guys just can't appreciate the depth of white's plan VetX whispers: must have been something gruesome after g4. CFIPilot whispers: apu you really have faith in the silicon MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Is there a human making ferret's moves? kerrigan(C) whispers: excuse me, but isn't g4 a bit satanic? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: I would have bet the house on g4 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 17. Re1 Nf4 18. Bf1 Cthulhu whispers: g4 led to a Buchanan presidential victory. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 17. Re1 Nf4 18. Bf1 Qd7 kerrigan(C) whispers: even ananse wouldn't play g4 RossA kibitzes: on g4 wasn't nf4 and bg6 a way out? Krawly kibitzes: oh my, Mcauly Caulkin has seized ferret's joystick controller! POTZY(DM) kibitzes: How does black continue the attack? ...g5!? and ...g4? apu whispers: Hmm, not so easy to play the planned g3 now Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 18. Bf1 Qd7 19. Nb3 etranger whispers: hasnt black wasted two tempi on Nh4-g6-f4, or what Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 18. Bf1 Qd7 19. Nb3 g5 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Not that g4 was a great move, but it should have been \ like liquor to an alcoholic! Attila kibitzes: but g4 was not winning something (Nf4 attacking the Bd3) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Whoa!!? POTZY(DM) kibitzes: Good point, Attila.. g4 didn't win anything! apu whispers: Time to pack it in Wyvern whispers: what? searcher kibitzes: shirov pulling out all the stops Cthulhu whispers: g3 now. :) Krawly kibitzes: sheer insanity comes pouring down the g-file. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 19. Nb3 g5 20. Bxf4 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 19. Nb3 g5 20. Bxf4 gxf4 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov the king killer is back with a vengeance sicilian(IM) kibitzes: what the hell is whites night on b3 for Babaganush kibitzes: it's good to see a human crush a computer at its own game apu whispers: Hmm, white seems poorly placed to counter black's initiative YoungFischer whispers: I just have one simple question, how is shirov so \ good?!?!?! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Nb3 is a move my grandmother would make...on one of her \ bad days Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 20. Bxf4 gxf4 21. Qd3 Junk kibitzes: does white have any sort of counterplay possibilities? Securitron(GM) kibitzes: oh dear. now the Ba7 rules Frank whispers: death on the g file again MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The a7 B is a laser bfritz whispers: Kh8 CFIPilot whispers: black controls Krawly kibitzes: Nb3 is a feint to a feint, attempting to lull Shirov into \ thinking that the machine is an utter moron. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 20. Bxf4 gxf4 21. Qd3 Kh8 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 21. Qd3 Kh8 22. Re2 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 21. Qd3 Kh8 22. Re2 Rg8 apu whispers: black's plan is subtle but dangerous Frank whispers: why couldnt gulko do this :) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The g line has been bought by the company of Rook and \ Rook Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 22. Re2 Rg8 23. Kh2 kerrigan(C) whispers: fritz is a positional idiot and still wins a few games... fritzl kibitzes: hey! Cthulhu whispers: Lots of games are won by idiots. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 22. Re2 Rg8 23. Kh2 Rg6 **ANNOUNCEMENT** from POTZY: "ob 46" for Grandmaster Shirov (#9 in world) \ versus Ferret! apu whispers: Whew, glad to hear it MASHley(IM) kibitzes: And the White king feels as secure as food at a fat farm fritzl kibitzes: I know my positional judgement is that hot, but... kerrigan(C) whispers: fritzl: the fritz with a version number :) Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 23. Kh2 Rg6 24. Nbd2 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 23. Kh2 Rg6 24. Nbd2 Rag8 Krawly kibitzes: solving a self-induced knight problem is Nd2. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 24. Nbd2 Rag8 25. b3 Tsodikov kibitzes: easy game for Shirov Securitron(GM) kibitzes: rh6 on the way MASHley(IM) kibitzes: White's pieces are having a towmn meeting about who \ should get shot first Tmeister whispers: what if nh4? etranger whispers: the black QB is like a 10 penny nail shoved up yer nose Krawly kibitzes: Nh4 loses to Bxe2 kerrigan(C) whispers: i guess it just isn't good enough to say 'ferret's having \ a hard time' huh... MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov could go watch some TV and still win this one apu whispers: ferret's just having a hard time Tmeister whispers: nh4 Bxe2 Nxg6+ fg Qxe2 apu whispers: d'oh! Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 24. Nbd2 Rag8 25. b3 Ng4+ Lews kibitzes: pretty MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Hello! apu whispers: !! woo-hoo YoungFischer whispers: COOL!! Cthulhu whispers: Take the knight! Securitron(GM) kibitzes: excellent - shirov plays like shirov VetX whispers: I am confident I could lose this position against ferret. LateKnight kibitzes: Good byeeeee Wyvern whispers: i like it :) Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 25. b3 Ng4+ 26. hxg4 Krawly kibitzes: he'll get a pawn on g4 any way he can! etranger whispers: ive watched a lot of chess ... and white's pieces are as bad \ as Ive ever seen ! :) Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 25. b3 Ng4+ 26. hxg4 Bxg4 fritzl kibitzes: Oh, sure, just because every piece except the knight was \ participating, he had to sac it first **ANNOUNCEMENT** from POTZY: The end is near! "ob 46" for Shirov's piece \ sac! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: I hurt myself looking at that move! Krawly kibitzes: murder shifts to the h-file. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 26. hxg4 Bxg4 27. Kh1 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: 2 knight sacs back to back apu whispers: put scratchy in for ferret Securitron(GM) kibitzes: positional piece sacrifice - guaranteed horizon effect Frank whispers: yeah! scratchy and shirov! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Kh1!! looks best under the circumstances fritzl whispers: wait, I thought scratchy was shirov. Frank whispers: bh3 ? GBPacker kibitzes: gad....Ferret was awful in game #1 (having just played \ through it) kerrigan(C) whispers: scratchy is the big iron Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 26. hxg4 Bxg4 27. Kh1 Rh6+ MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Bh3 was Ne1 fritzl whispers: oh POTZY(DM) kibitzes: Computers are perfect defenders against short-term tactics \ (10-ply or so)...But can't defend longer-range attacks. MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Nh2 looks box kerrigan(C) whispers: good thing you could have done better gbpacker ban(C)(DM) kibitzes: nh2 rg5! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The only problem here for Black is her generalship needs \ to enetr the fray MASHley(IM) kibitzes: box is informant-speak for only move Securitron(GM) kibitzes: this is over if kg1 bf3 and qf3 is out due to rg3 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: By the way, try playing against the number 9 player in \ the world and see how you would look **ANNOUNCEMENT** from POTZY: "ob 46" for GM Shirov on the rampage against \ Ferret! Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 27. Kh1 Rh6+ 28. Nh2 kerrigan(C) whispers: stobor: Nh2 Rg5 = -0.77 (9 ply) GBPacker kibitzes: sheesh.....I didn't say _I_ could do better, I observe that \ ferret is being Kasparoved... fritzl whispers: cool line, heh MASHley(IM) kibitzes: As I said box Securitron(GM) kibitzes: and now rg5 looks like the end Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 27. Kh1 Rh6+ 28. Nh2 Rg5 Frank whispers: munchabunchafritos etranger whispers: Shirov must be pleased with these 2 games MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Well, It's time to walk the dog. apu whispers: "Some of them want to abuse you......some of them want to be \ abuuuuuused..." Babaganush kibitzes: shirov deep blue would be very interesting LateKnight kibitzes: LOL!!!! Lews kibitzes: thank you please come again :) Eskychess kibitzes: i wouldnt look any worse than Ferret! LateKnight kibitzes: Ching Ching LateKnight kibitzes: Thankyou for shopping at Shirovs market Lews kibitzes: please drive through MASHley(IM) kibitzes: No problem! Cthulhu whispers: f3 playable? apu whispers: Hang on, getting ready to make fun of ferret some more... Securitron(GM) kibitzes: great stuff - shirov plays like a man against a \ machine, unlike some other famous types MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov is originally from Latvia...Tal country!! YoungFischer whispers: I hear Ferret is having a sale... FREE RATING POINTS Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 28. Nh2 Rg5 29. Nf3 VetX kibitzes: I would like to see how an 8 game match of 5 0 would turn out. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 28. Nh2 Rg5 29. Nf3 Rgh5 fritzl kibitzes: that was cold, securitron. Lews kibitzes: he likes a sharp game like Tal MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Bf3 also won Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 29. Nf3 Rgh5 30. g3 LateKnight kibitzes: KaBOOM apu whispers: He's right -- play like a MAN, dammit!! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: say goodnight Gracie! etranger whispers: g3 - down a coupla pawnies ... fritzl kibitzes: and too true :) kerrigan(C) whispers: yeah everybody, lets all beat ferret after this game, eh? MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Leave ferret alone people! Lews kibitzes: bh3 apu whispers: I'm compiling a list of ferret jokes Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 29. Nf3 Rgh5 30. g3 Bxf3+ Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 30. g3 Bxf3+ 31. Qxf3 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 30. g3 Bxf3+ 31. Qxf3 Rxh2+ Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 31. Qxf3 Rxh2+ 32. Kg1 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 31. Qxf3 Rxh2+ 32. Kg1 fxg3 MASHley(IM) kibitzes: The poor thing has just got a hot iron put in it's wawa Cthulhu whispers: Gulko wasn't laughing so hard. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 32. Kg1 fxg3 33. Bg2 Krawly kibitzes: how many ferrets does it take to make toast -- only one! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Boom! hmb kibitzes: Yeah...some of you are getting carried away...or else we better \ tell FIDE to get ready to ad a lot of you to their top ten :-) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Stop the madness Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 32. Kg1 fxg3 33. Bg2 Rxg2+ kerrigan(C) whispers: how many times can pinky kick your ass... 20 or 30... etranger whispers: a sac !! Frank whispers: damn YoungFischer whispers: winning easily now MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Shirov is so mean it's ridiculous! Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 33. Bg2 Rxg2+ 34. Qxg2 fritzl kibitzes: Hey, I just noticed Shirov hasn't lost a pawn yet. Hmmmm. Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 33. Bg2 Rxg2+ 34. Qxg2 gxf2+ apu whispers: ...Rg6 coming GBPacker whispers: perhaps MAShley should 'set kib 1 ' :) MASHley(IM) kibitzes: Ouch!!! Lews kibitzes: oh the pain Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 34. Qxg2 gxf2+ 35. Rxf2 GBPacker whispers: er kib 2 Move Ferret Shirov ---- -------------- -------------- 34. Qxg2 gxf2+ 35. Rxf2 Rg6 apu whispers: black is slightly better YoungFischer whispers: giving the xchange too! MASHley(IM) kibitzes: No more please! LateKnight kibitzes: owie Frank whispers: i am getting nauseous { Ferret resigns} 0-1 **ANNOUNCEMENT** from LateKnight: Ferret Resigns! **ANNOUNCEMENT** from POTZY: GRANDMASTER SHIROV wins the match 2-0 against \ Ferret! **ANNOUNCEMENT** from LateKnight: Thanks to Grandmaster Shirov and Ferret!! **ANNOUNCEMENT** from LateKnight: Thanks to IM Maurice Ashley for fine \ commentary! and all others who commented too! **ANNOUNCEMENT** from POTZY: Pictures from the Shirov Ferret match are at \ http://www.seric.es/shirov
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